Thursday, December 23, 2004

Mis-Nagid December '04

Thursday, December 23, 2004

Whelp's Walken Wish

This guy is weird in a good way. He's posted parody children's letters to Christopher Walken. My favorite (though it needs more cowbell):



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posted by Mis-nagid @ Thursday, December 23, 2004

Wednesday, December 22, 2004

Some questions for Jennifer (and one piece of advice)

Jennifer Mitts, she of the blog Ger--ish, posted a request for some advice. Instead of heeding her request, I rashly posted some questions in her comments section. She responded to my questions with more politesse than they deserved, what with them not being what she had asked for. As I was brazenly typing more questions raised by her response, it occured to me that it had gotten too long for a comment. So here is my reply to Jennifer.

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First things first.

#1) I'm glad you realized that my questions were not rhetorical. I have no stake in your decisions. I'm just curious what leads you to the things you write about.

#2) Any comments I make can be misconstrued as negative. In a sense they are, since I often disagree with you. However, they are not personal. I don't mean to be insulting, but these sorts of probing questions can seem confrontational. If it makes you uncomfortable, you can always ignore me. On the other hand, perhaps you shouldn't be ignoring questions that make you uncomfortable.

#3) No matter what you do, you're not responsible to me.

Ok, to the questions.

"Wow, Mis-nagid. You have raised some very interesting questions. (This is why I like Jewish people SO MUCH.)"

Do you think only Jewish people ask interesting questions? What a horrible thing to say. Even worse for your case, frum people hate my site and my questions.

"I will do my best to come up with plausible answers."

How is that you've come so far as to consider conversion, but haven't yet even come up with plausible answers to these questions? Shouldn't you have delved into these issues before? Also, are merely plausible answers good enough for such important questions?

"And what about you? Are you so brainwashed that you can't say "Hashem is not God" or "The Torah was written by men?"
"I am sure that if my studies bring me to that conclusion, I would not hesitate to proclaim it thus."

I don't doubt that you study. But do you know how to determine the truth or falsehood of a claim? The fact that you have been so gullible with regards to so many diverse superstitions leads me to believe that you do not, in fact, know how we know what isn't so. Many people spend a lot of time studying alien abduction stories and crop circles and come to devoutly believe in them. There's little point in studying these sorts of things without first having mastered critical thinking skills.

"I am always searching for the answers. So far I have gone from Christianity to Messianic Judaism to Judaism/B'nei Noach. That's over the course of my lifetime. I will always be reading, studying, and asking plenty of questions."

How did you discern between the supernatural claims of the different religions? They all require faith, which is belief that does not rest on evidence or reason. On what grounds did you reject your previous religions, and how does your current one hold up to that standard? By what standard of evidence and reason is frumkeit correct, to the exclusion of all other religions? And how do you know that you're not just as wrong as you were before?

"And why are you so eager to add a bunch of arbitrarily restrictive cultic rules to your life?"
"I believe that those are the laws G-d set forth for Israel to follow."

Based on what evidence do you believe that? And given the same standards of evidence that you apply to that answer, how can you reject other religions' claims to divinely given rules? Like say, Islam?

How do you reconcile the grossly immoral orders in the Torah with your claim of divine origins? For example, orders to kill an entire city of people over religious differences? Or orders to cut off a woman's hand for defending her husband against an attacker?

"And I believe He intended for Israel to be a fish bowl for the world to see and emulate."

So your god is prejudiced towards the vast majority of humankind? He's tribalistic and clannish? Or is that just a reflection of human needs and desires projected onto an imagined deity? Why can't your non-egalitarian god have one set of rules for all humankind?

"I further believe that if more and more people adhered to these laws, or at least to the Noachide laws, that our world would be a better place."

Which laws? All of them? How is the world better if people don't eat shellfish? Or don't mix linen and cotton? Or kill anyone who picks up sticks on the wrong day?

As for the noahide laws, the world is a far better place with religious liberty, not required adherence to one form of monotheism. The very first noahide law is an abridgement of human liberty. Would the world really be a better place if we required everyone to believe in Yahveh instead of Imhotep, Allah, or Zeus?

"I'd hate to take away his time from a real Jew, though. That would be a sin."
"Why do you want to keep company with such religious bigots? Would you be so forgiving if it had been taking his time away from a real white person? Why is religious discrimination so trivial to you?"
"I believe rabbis are first obligated to Jews, that is all. Am I not correct in thinking this?"

Even if you are correct in thinking that, why is that acceptable? Would you be ok with saying that the KKK Grand Wizard is first obligated to whites? You never answered my question: why is religious discrimination so trivial to you?

"They'll never accept you; you'll always be a "tzigekimminer." One of the most common complaints BTs and Gerim have is that they're never really accepted. For example, they have the hardest time getting married or marrying their children."
"I have heard that the children of ger do not marry easily and well. However, I won't have that to worry about as I have no and do not plan to have children."

Even if your only concern is you, why do you want to associate with wanton bigots? Where is your rush to jump into such a xenophobic culture?

"What I am concerned with is me, a B'nei Noach, making friends in a very small Jewish community with frum women. I have online frum friends that are gracious and kind. I have two modern orthodox people (online friends) coming in from out of town to my home in a couple of weeks to sit down to dinner with me. This gives me hope."

Hope that what? That this time you got access to the correct exclusive we're-right club? That these unsupported supernatural claims are the right one, by god? Not like those last ones?

It sounds more like you're interested in the social aspects of fundamentalist religions. You want to think that you've got all the answers in a book, and the secret handshake known only to God's chosen people. You just can't seem to make up your mind about which cult to pick.

If I can make one suggestion to you, it would be this: Hold off on any major religious decisions until you've studied critical thinking. After you've been armed with such mental power tools, you'll be better prepared to discern truth from falsehood.

Some recommended books on critical thinking (not religion):
The Baloney Detection Kit ($5 from skeptic.com)
Why People Believe Weird Things by Dr. Michael Shermer
How We Know What Isn't So: The Fallibility of Human Reason in Everyday Life by Thomas Gilovich
The Demon Haunted World by Carl Sagan
How to Think About Weird Things by Theodore Schick
Inevitable Illusions : How Mistakes of Reason Rule Our Minds by Massimo Piattelli-Palmarini

Respectfully,
Mis-nagid

posted by Mis-nagid @ Wednesday, December 22, 2004

Monday, December 20, 2004

Clippings Collection

Sometimes being funny is the best way to expose how dumb someone is.
The idiot. The funny (comment #24 by RPM).
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A new discovery rocks the world of particle physics: the Jebon!
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AP: 44% in poll OK limits on rights of Muslims. Sadly, not a joke.
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New SAT Questions Replace Evolution with Creation. Don't miss the PDF.

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posted by Mis-nagid @ Monday, December 20, 2004

Dreidel, Dreidel, Dreidel

[Before being rudely interrupted, I had planned a collection of Chanukah blog posts. This one was already finished, but the rest will have to wait until next Chanukah]

Continuing on the theme of frum ignorance of history, and in particular Chanukah, let's address the dreidel.

This seemingly benign toy is yet another example of frum ignorance of history, gullibility and lack of skepticism. As before, take a poll of frum Jews. Ask where the custom of playing dreidel on Chanukah comes from. Ask what Nun, Gimmel, Hey and Shin stand for. Ninety-nine times out of a hundred, you'll hear a verbatim playback of the traditional myths.

According to the pablum fed frum children, the dreidel was used by the Jewish children in the times of the Yevonim as an excuse. They would gather to learn Torah, and if they were caught, they would pretend they were only playing a children's game. The obviously retarded Seleucid soldier was totally fooled by this childish ruse, and wandered off like the goofus he was. It makes one wonder how such stupid soldiers managed to conquer a land where even the children could outsmart them.

The next lie taught in frum yeshivas concerns the letters on the four-sided top. We are told that NGHSh stands for Nes Gadol Hayah Sham -- a great miracle happened there. In Israel, the letters on the sevivon are NGHP, swapping "there" for "here."

Ask yourself what letters were on the dreidel spun by the mythically pious children of history and what they might have stood for. Were they prophets to predict the miracle? And did their's say Sham or Po? Ok, so the dreidel is just a remembrance of the top-like game they played. Then when did the letters get added? When did it take the form we have now?

Even this momentary reflection makes it obvious that at least some of the dreidel's backstory must be anachronistic, but frum people are trained not to pay attention to such things. If they notice them, they put it out of mind and don't investigate further. Sure, this "point" one can be dismissed with ease, but frum people can't even be bothered to think about it, let alone dismiss it. They simply lack any sense of history, and see the Chanukah story as an out-of-focus tale, never to be examined closely.

So where did the dreidel come from? Contrary to the popular song, the dreidel is not made out of clay, but of whole cloth. The legend of the alibi was made up in the 19th century, with no precursor. Its letters do not stand for Nebuchadnetzar, Gog, Haman, and Seir. That its letters equal Mashiach in gematria is mere numerology. The dreidel, in fact, had nothing to do with Chanukah, having been played by many cultures over the centuries.

The English and Irish have a Christmastime top-based game called totum or teetotum, Latin for "all." The game was first called totum in the early 1500s. By the 1700s, it was called T-totum or teetotum, and by the 1800s the four letters became four words in English: N for Nothing, T for Take, H for Half, P for Put. The dreidel is an Eastern European variant of the German equivalent of the totum game. Its letters come from German: Nichts for nothing, Ganz for all, Halb for half, and Shtell for put.

Thus, the irony. Chanukah is supposed to represent the rejection of foreign culture, yet many of its customs are of foreign origin. The rabbis, by fabricating an origin myth for the dreidel, were truly spinning a little piece of assimilation.

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posted by Mis-nagid @ Monday, December 20, 2004

Sunday, December 19, 2004

Rebbe Rousers

From the Jerusalem Post:

Nine Lubavitcher Hassidim were arrested Wednesday morning in Crown Heights, Brooklyn, when they attacked police officers who had been called to Lubavitch world headquarters to guard the installation of a plaque that referred to the Lubavitcher Rebbe, Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, as the Rebbe "of blessed memory."
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Until recently, a 10-year-old plaque marking the occasion of the expansion of the building and referring to the Rebbe with the words "of blessed memory" remained undisturbed, community members said.

But a couple of months ago, the plaque was torn down under cover of darkness and replaced with one that said: "Long live our master, our teacher and our rabbi, the king the Messiah, forever and ever," according to a Lubavitch official.

Since then, workers trying to restore the original plaque have been blocked by fervently messianic Chabadniks, and Lubavitch officials had to get a court order to block them.

From the New York Post:

One of the Hasidic men arrested in a brawl outside the headquarters of an Orthodox Jewish sect offered a simple explanation of the fight for outsiders who can't tell the warring factions without a scorecard.

"The Rebbe is Superman and [Rabbi] Yehuda Krinsky is Lex Luthor, you understand?" Meyer Romano, 23, told The Post yesterday as he left Brooklyn criminal court after a night in jail.
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Another arrested man was Chesad Halberstam, whose son, Ari, was killed by an Islamic fundamentalist in a 1994 Brooklyn Bridge shooting.

A lawyer for one of the men explained that the group was protecting the cornerstone, which is considered sacred because Schneerson once touched it. "His choice is: does he go against the rule of God or does he go against the rule of man," said Michael Kusevitsky.

A Lubavitch spokesman, Rabbi Zalman Shmotkin, said that the arrested men "lack respect for any religious or legal authority. Pray for them."

From another NY Post article:

Among the radical Lubavitchers arrested was Chesad Halberstam, whose son Ari was killed by an Arab terrorist who shot up a van carrying Hassidic students on the Brooklyn Bridge in 1994.

This pretty much speaks for itself. One question, though. Shouldn't Mr. Halberstam have learned about the danger of religious fanaticism? Of course, the very nature of it is irrational, so reasoning may be too much to expect. Also, his son was murdered, which is the sort of shock to the mental immune system that leaves one vulnerable to cults.

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posted by Mis-nagid @ Sunday, December 19, 2004

Friday, December 17, 2004

Beloved Bender



Two Bender quotes come to mind. To my friends: "I'm back, baby!" And to the hijacker: "Bite my shiny metal ass."

The current content of the site is not to be trusted, until I verify it against my archives.

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posted by Mis-nagid @ Friday, December 17, 2004

Tuesday, December 14, 2004

Odd Ad

Check out this ad from this morning's paper:



The first thing I noticed is the cheesy language. A mistake can be hurtful? Give you a right recommendation? Four exclamation points? Yuck.

Once I got past my overly-delicate English sensibilities, something else occurred to me. What the heck makes a referral service Jewish? Well, other than the Yiddishe Bobbah language. And what is a Jewish referral service anyway? Apparently, it's a woman with some phone books. But wait, let's break out the zoom tool:



It's a kosher phone book. Perhaps that's what makes the service Jewish. And if that isn't Jewish enough, they tell you that it's "absolutely free" twice and in all caps.

Here's how I picture the one side of the conversation:


JRS, are you Jewish? Don't lie, we Jews can tell.
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Ok, ok, I don't need your whole life story. What's the matter with you?
[...]
Just that? You kvetch too much. You think you have problems? My angina been acting up la... no, ANgina. Yeesh, don't have a heart attack, I'll check.



My aunt Bertha, Uleha Hashalom, said this doctor was very nice to her. Let me call and set up an appointment for you.



Doctor Hochenplotz? Oy doctor, have I got a daughter for you.

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posted by Mis-nagid @ Tuesday, December 14, 2004

Sunday, December 12, 2004

Frum Fantasy or How a Legend Spawned an Industry

The frum world is thoroughly suffused with fantasy and ignorance. Frum people know pathetically little about their own history and practices, and what they do know is usually wrong. In general, frum institutions never teach any history at all, or at least nothing that deserves the name. Most yeshiva bochurim have no idea what was going on in the world at the same time as any Jewish event. All "history" is seen through the gauze of fantasy. The frum view of the history of world revolves around Jews and includes lots of myths, which makes for a witch's brew that has little to do with real history.

The root cause of this lack of rigor in understanding the past is the need for ignorance. After all, if you ask "What was going on in the rest of the world during Noach's Great Flood?" you may be surprised to find out that great (undisturbed) civilizations in Egypt and China were already writing stuff down, and never mentioned any flood. As the frum dogmas are not grounded in reality, so too the history must be kept floating above the ground, never attached to anything of substance, lest it come tumbling down to earth.

Chanukah, one of the few Jewish holidays based on a true historical event, is, ironically, no exception to this. Grab a frum person and quiz him or her: In what year was Chanukah? Who was Antiochus? Who were the Yevonim? Who were the Chasmonoyim? How long did the war last? You'll get the most pathetic answers (if you get any), because frum people have no sense of history. Shoot, most frum people don't know what the word "frum" means, or where it comes from! [*]

There is one aspect of frum Chanukah that truly brings this sense of ahistory into sharp relief. Case in point: the Bais Yosef's Kasha. To those of you lucky enough to be uninitiated in the frum cult, this peculiar obsession of frum Chanukah takes the form of a question. The Bais Yosef asked, "If the oil could have lasted for one day, but lasted for eight, only seven of them can be termed miracles. So why celebrate eight (rather than seven) days?"

This "difficulty" occupies a special place in the frum universe; it's a "true" classic. Gallons of ink were poured to answer this stupid question. Virtually every frum commentator since his time has had a crack at it. There's even a very large sefer consisting of nothing but answers to this one question. However, every single one of those answers is wrong -- completely, utterly, and totally wrong.

Before I get to the correct answer, let's understand why they're wrong. Don't worry, I don't have to refute them all, one at a time. The reason they're off-base is simple: it's a legend. The story of the miraculous oil was made up approximately six hundred years after the events of Chanukah. Of course the rabbinical legend has inconsistencies -- it's fiction. There's no point in trying to "fix" them. It's like reading Curious George and trying to explain how so few balloons could lift a monkey of George's heft.

Now, to the real answer to the Bais Yosef's Kasha.

Due to their aforementioned lack of history sense, most frum people have no idea that there are books written from the era of the Maccabees. Nor do they know that these books make no mention of any miracles. Ask a frum person what is says in the two[**] Books of Maccabees, and they'll say "Books of Maccabees?" I'll not get into why those books are invisible from the frum world, but I'll note one piece of irony. Virtually every frum child knows the Chanukah story of Channah and her seven sons. Where's the story from? The Book of Maccabees 2.

Were you to read the actual history of Chanukah, when you get to the part about the rededication [chanukah] of the Temple, you'd find the following:

10:5 Now upon the same day that the strangers profaned the temple, on the very same day it was cleansed again, even the five and twentieth day of the same month, which is Casleu [Kislev].
10:6 And they kept the eight days with gladness, as in the feast of the tabernacles [Sukkot], remembering that not long afore they had held the feast of the tabernacles [Sukkot], when as they wandered in the mountains and dens like beasts.
10:7 Therefore they bare branches, and fair boughs, and palms also [lulavim, hadassos, aravos], and sang psalms [Hallel] unto him that had given them good success in cleansing his place.
10:8 They ordained also by a common statute and decree, That every year those days should be kept of the whole nation of the Jews.

That's right, the very first Chanukah was a delayed Sukkot. Sukkot traditionally required going to the Temple, but on the correct date for Sukkot, the Temple was still under Seleucid control, so it was not celebrated properly. The Maccabees cleverly scheduled the Temple's grand reopening on the anniversary of its sacking, and celebrated Sukkot like it's supposed to be. It was especially poignant due to the fact that the transient and ephemeral living embodied in the story of Sukkot was so resonant with them, having just spent so long hiding in mountains and caves.

Furthermore, the book opens with a letter to the Jews in Alexandria, telling them to celebrate this new holiday:

1:9 And now see that ye keep the feast of tabernacles [Sukkot] in the month Casleu [Kislev].

That is the correct answer to the Bais Yosef's Kasha. The reason Chanukah is eight days (instead of seven) is because it was a delayed Sukkot, which has eight days. It was always eight days, and the rabbis made their legend match the extant practice, leading to the slight inconsistency noted by the Bais Yosef.

Before I close this post, I'd like to add a piece of speculation. The Mishna nevers discusses [Ed. note was "mentions"] Chanukah, even going so far as to give a grave warning against reading the Books of Maccabees (Sanhedrin 10:1). In the only Gemara to discuss Chanukah, history gets three lines, while ritual minutaie get more than three pages. However, there is one interesting link in this rabbinified version of Chanukah that may hint at their knowledge of its true origins.

In the discourse on how to light the Chanukah candles, two opinions are proffered. One says to start with one candle on the first night and add one each night, until you are lighting eight on the final night. The other says to start with eight and remove one each night. Where it gets interesting is the reason offered for the latter position. The justification given is that the candles represent "parei hechag," the bulls of the holiday. By this he means the bulls offered on Sukkot. As recounted in the Torah, those bulls were offered in decreasing number each successive day.

The commentators struggle to explain why that Sukkot practice is relevant to Chanukah lights. Some of them are almost amusing in their tortured logic. I'd like to offer a possibility; that this could be a partial remnant of the earlier explanations for the custom of the Chanukah lights.

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[*] It's a Yiddishization of the German "fromm," meaning pious. Admit it, you didn't know that.
[**] The other Books of Maccabee aren't about Chanukah, and are somewhat misnamed

posted by Mis-nagid @ Sunday, December 12, 2004

Thursday, December 02, 2004

Sneaky Scientists Slip Sermons into Schoolbooks



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posted by Mis-nagid @ Thursday, December 02, 2004

Mirror, Mirror

This blog post by Brian Flemming sounds like something I might write.

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posted by Mis-nagid @ Thursday, December 02, 2004

Wednesday, December 01, 2004

Williamsburg Wingnuts

How did I miss this? The pic:



The discussions:

One.
Two.
Three.

Four.


Can someone please post a translation of these newspaper pics?

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posted by Mis-nagid @ Wednesday, December 01, 2004

Syllable Slip

Lately, I've been learning a lot of Chumash, about which I'll write more later. In the course of my study, I came across a large number of interesting scribal errors in the Masoretic Text, the version of the Torah that frum people think is identical with the "one" "given" over 2000 years ago. This was not a surprise to me, as I've been familiar with modern Biblical scholarship for quite some time. However, I had never made a real effort to study the field, and my current pursuit is an effort to redress that shortcoming.

My current favorite scribal error comes from Birkat Yaakov. In Beraishis:

49:19 Gad gdud yegudenu v'hu yagud akev
49:20 Mey'Asher shemaina lachmo v'hu yiten me'adnei melech

There are two things weird about those pesukim. The first oddity is that Gad's counterattack is singular, but his attackers are plural. Yegudenu is plural, but akev is singular. Also strange is that Asher's verse starts with "From Asher." None of the other verses have this "from" form, so it's very incongruous.

The answer lies in a simple scribal error. The MEM from Gad's posuk got accidentally moved to Asher's posuk. Gad's posuk originally ended with akvum (their heels), and Asher's with Asher. In fact, in the other surviving versions of the Torah, the original version is still intact, confirming the scribal error in the Masoretic text.

This is exactly the kind of scribal error which survives: one that leaves the source still making some sense. Gross errors get weeded out quickly, so they're not often in surviving documents. Similarly, the confusion of DALED with REISH usually got caught, but in the case of the cows in Pharoh's dream it didn't because Dakos and Rakos have similar enough meaning to leave the story sensible.

I think the reason I favor this relatively trivial scribal error over other more important ones is that it's Birkat Yaakov. Frum children, especially girls, are often coerced into memorizing the whole thing in song. The irony of revering it so much, yet unwittingly enshrining it in an erronious form, really tickles my funny bone.

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[Ed. note: fixed "gdud" in 49:19 quote]

posted by Mis-nagid @ Wednesday, December 01, 2004

Sunday, November 28, 2004

Mis-Nagid November '04

Friday, November 26, 2004

Befuddled Brains

I love studying how fallible our brains are. I find the study of human cognition fascinating, with particular interest in how it's broken. I've made the study of the different illusions (optical, logical, etc) of our brains something of a hobby. It's all part of my efforts to understand why people are so bad at interpreting the world, and how we come to erroneous beliefs such as theism (and other superstitions).

I may read neurology books for fun, but the following little game still surprised me. Play it for yourself, and see if it doesn't blow your mind:

1) You must read these rules in their entirety before beginning. Don't screw this up for yourself by cheating, or you'll really be missing out.

2) Watch
this short video. (7MB download and Java required)

You are only allowed to watch it once. In the video you will see a group of basketball players, some wearing white and some wearing black, passing two balls around. Your goal is to count how many times the ball is passed by those wearing white shirts. It’s that simple. Remember, count just the passes of the ball by those wearing white. Once the movie is over, write down the number of passes you have counted. Do not watch the video again!

3) Go to
this site and see how accurately you counted.

That's it, now begin!

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UPDATE:
Daniel Simons
won an Ig Nobel award for this research! Here's the paper that he published that led to the award. Do not follow any of these links until after you've taken the test.
UPDATE 2:
Michael Shermer, he of the
excellent books on scientific skepticism, wrote about this in his column in Scientific American. Do not follow any of these links until after you've taken the test.

posted by Mis-nagid @ Friday, November 26, 2004

Monday, November 15, 2004

Alienating Architecture

Shaggy Maniac wrote about my last post:
Your point is well-taken but but I’m not comfortable with your usage of the term “atheistic” in reference to science.

I’d use it in reference to architecture, too. There are those who want to distort the meaning of atheist, but I will not give in to this politically-inspired recharacterization. Atheism isn’t a religion — it’s not even a belief. It’s a lack of a particular belief, and that is all. Anything that has nothing to say about God-belief is atheistic, and there no shame is saying it.

This term would seem to mean literally “without theism”.

Never mind “would seem” — that’s the definition. Anything that is without theism is atheistic. It’s not some cornered, niche idea, flitting in the shadows. Virtually everything we do and know is atheistic. Only those few things still left in the hands of the priests can still be said to be theistic, and that set is shrinking. It’s been shrinking ever since the first cities were designed with the market at the center, and not the church. The scope and domain of religion has shrunk, even as its adherents' numbers grow. Today, only the most overtly religious give more than an hour a week to the church, and have to campaign to affect politics. Compare that with 400 years ago, when the church owned the land and set the rules. It didn’t help them that entire fields slipped from the church’s grasp, such as biology and astronomy. Never let people fool you into thinking that science and religion are separate endeavors. Theism is separate from science. Religion has and is still constantly making scientific claims (virgin births, splitting seas, answered prayers). The fact that they can no longer make scientific claims about the stars is a reflection on the incorrectness of those doctrines, not on their origins in theism (or lack of).

I would argue that there is nothing about science as a human endeavor (which is what it is) that either implies or requires that the humans doing the science either are or need to subscribe in anyway to anything having to do with theism, including atheism. Saying that science is “atheistic” says, I fear, much more than saying that science properly conducted follows methodological naturalism.

On the one hand, you’re right; science does NOT imply naturalism. However, you’re still wrong, because science has led to naturalism. It needn’t have; there’s nothing in science that makes it so. It’s not science’s fault that the tools of reason and logic didn’t find anything supernatural. We could live in the world of The Lord of the Rings or Harry Potter. We obviously can conceive of it. But we don’t. In those worlds, science would confirm magic and fairies the way it has evolution in ours. As I said, nothing in the methods of science precludes that. However, our world, as it has exposed itself to us, exhibits no such things.

The latter is a requirement of science; the former (“atheism”) has utterly nothing to do with science and thus it is an inapproriate term to associate with science, imo.

Science is an atheistic endeavor, as is everything that is not specifically theological. It is the failings of religious claims in the realm of scientific authority that make science the enemy of religion, not the fact that science is atheistic. Were it otherwise, religion would be opposed to architecture.

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posted by Mis-nagid @ Monday, November 15, 2004

What's in an idea?

PZ Myers wrote:
“Olmsted and Mobley are under the delusion that evolution is an atheistic idea.”

That’s correct. Every scientific theory is atheistic — that is, lacks a god-belief. Heliocentrity does not invoke God, so it is atheistic. Relativity lacks a deity so it too is atheistic.


Of course evolution does not oppose theism. But its opponents are not theists, they are Christians. They do not just believe in God, they have a much larger set of beliefs that revolve around that belief. It is these auxilliary beliefs (such as Genesis) that are in conflict with the evidence that led to the theory of evolution.

The reason that religions have historically been so belligerent to science is because science is atheistic. It allows people to understand the world without invoking God. Evolution doesn’t prove that there are no Gods, but it makes Him unnecessary. Not that He ever was necessary, but the God of Gaps depends on His lacunae, and His followers resent every encroachment of knowledge into the ever-shrinking cavities of ignorance.

UPDATE: PZ Myers responded:
Good point. I was confusing the issues, too: science says nothing about god, which makes it atheistic, but the point I was really trying to address is that is not anti-theistic.

The mark of a true scientist: admitting a mistake. Now go read
his blog, you menuval*, you have much to learn.

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*Props to
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posted by Mis-nagid @ Monday, November 15, 2004

Sunday, October 24, 2004

Mis-Nagid October '04

Wednesday, October 20, 2004

Hank Fox on Chris Reeve's death

This post is directly lifted from Hank Fox. I'd link to it, but his site is awkward, and makes it hard to link to the content. I hope he forgives me this mild copyright violation. I liked this post of his too much not to share it with my readers. For now, please enjoy his work:

People die.

They do. And they stay dead forever.

It sucks. If you know and love someone, there is very little good about them dying.

I saw this cartoon today in my local paper, and immediately hated it.



I hated it because of how it pushed my buttons: "Awwww, look, Christopher Reeve is flying off to Heaven. He doesn't have to be paralyzed anymore. That's just so nice." Deep contented sigh.

Just for a second, it waylaid me with its smarmy appeal, and I felt GOOD about Reeve's death. I felt that everything was going to be okay. That it wasn't so bad that he was in a wheelchair all that time, and couldn't even breathe on his own.

It was ... release. From the thought of all the years he spent shackled in place by his damaged spinal cord. From the pain of his death. And even from the threat of my own mortality.

Yeah, we atheists feel such things. Don't ever think we don't feel the same escapist urges that godders do. The difference is, we think mass delusion has a lot of very harmful side effects. The difference is, we think the real world is more important. More interesting. More powerful. More ... super.

Take two parallels worlds, almost exactly the same.

In one world, the mind of every person is filled with the deep belief in some kind of life after death. Reincarnation. Immortality in paradise. Joining with the Oversoul. Beaming up to the Mother Ship.

In the other world, every person knows, on a deep, personal level, that you get one life, and when you die, you're gone forever.

On which of these parallel worlds is medical science likely to develop faster?

On which of these parallel worlds are people more likely to rejoice in day-to-day living, more likely to grab life by the horns and LIVE it?

On which of these parallel worlds are people more likely to express their true feelings for each other most often, knowing that they may not always have the chance?

Hell, considering a worldwide population of individuals who know absolutely that you get one life and no more, on which of these worlds is slavery less likely to develop, or last?

Then there was this other cartoon, which I liked very much:



In this one, the man becomes powerful by walking though a door labeled "Stem Cell Research."

The door might just as well have said, simply, "Biology." Or just "Science."

This cartoon doesn't inspire tears of joy, or heart-tugging pathos. What it does inspire is Hope.

Real hope.

Hope that one day, people like Christopher Reeve — not a symbol, not a cartoon, not a shill for superstition, but the real flesh-and-blood guy who wanted to walk again so much he showed the rest of us what real heroes are made of — will someday not have to spend their entire lives in wheelchairs.

It will not happen with tent revivals. It won't come about through the sermons of Benny Hinn. It won't take place in some fuzzy wish-fulfillment fantasy-land in the clouds.

There are plenty of people alive today — all of us, when you think about it — who have ONE hope of getting up out of their wheelchairs, one hope of being free of the daily shots of insulin, one hope of disconnecting their loved ones from the machines AND HAVING THEM COME HOME afterwards.

That kind of hope is not found in a church pew.

It's found in laboratories, in college science classrooms, in funding for research and education, and in getting the luddites — can you say George W. Bush, boys and girls? — out of the way so the science and research and teaching can actually happen.

One final thought: What do you suppose is the ultimate goal of medical science?

It's the curing of disease, isn't it? The curing of ALL disease. Because it's not like medical science is going to stop. Not ever. And sooner or later, ALL diseases will be curable.

The lung cancer that killed your mom. The multiple sclerosis that destroyed the life of your uncle. The heart attack that took your grandfather. The birth defect that spirited away your son. The diabetes or AIDS that claimed the life of your niece. The Alzheimer's that stole away your grandmother ... long years before she actually died.

All that stuff will be curable.

Sooner.

Or later.

For the sake of all the Christopher Reeves out there, for the sake of my friends and loved ones, for the sake of everybody who ever loved someone, I'd rather it be sooner.

posted by Mis-nagid @ Wednesday, October 20, 2004

Thursday, October 14, 2004

Preposterous Presidents

I watched last night's presidential debate with only mild interest. However, there was one point where I sat up and took notice. The topic that perked me right up was, of course, religion.

In America, religion cannot be questioned. No matter how absurd someone's beliefs are, as long as it's labelled religious, you must simply bow your head in solemn respect. You can't say that tacking scrolls to your doorpost to bring good luck is supertitious and ineffective. You can't say that that claims of religion are no better than superstition, even though they clearly are.

This sense of immunity is never more pronounced than in the political sphere. Virtually noone in America would vote for an atheist; we're more likely to see a black gay president than an atheistic one. When a American politician is asked about religion, he must profess his faith loudly and clearly, lest the wrath of the populace fall upon him.

Reflect on the absurdity of this situation. To be considered fit for the most important position in the world, a candidate must state that he believes that an invisible being is looking out for him! The top two canditates believe that man who died thousands of years ago can help guide their decisions, if they think about him hard enough. How irrational is that? If you change that belief in the slightest bit so as to nudge it out from under the protective umbrella of religion, he might be institutionalized.

In this vein, I've learned a little trick to highlite the absurdity. When someone is harping on their religion, play word replacement. When it says religion, read superstition. When someone say God, hear aliens. When someone say prayer, hear something equally useless like "drawing pretty circles."

I must warn you that this technique is not for the weak-minded. Putting on your no-god glasses exposes an ugly side to human stupidity that most people are completely unaware of.

Let's try an example. I was reading a book about life in Germany right before World War II. The author describes his harrowing experiences during Kristalnacht. The event that "sparked" Kristalnacht was the shooting of a German ambassador by Hershel Grynspan. In the book, the author describes the Jewish residents' reaction to the news. They immediately realized that there would be a violent backlash, so they started...praying. He describes how they organized round the clock tearful tehillim sessions, which, of course, were to no avail.

Now let's play. Imagine that he had written the following:

"We heard the horrible news, and saw the implications -- our very lives were at risk. We quickly mobilized to stave off the attack by drawing circles. The townspeople drew them in many colors and sizes, and we organized groups to get full circle-drawing coverage. Many crayons were consumed, and the circles were drawn with great concentration, but to no avail."

Given that there's no reason to think that prayer works any better than coloring, why should the original author's version not make you just as angry as the slightly modified version? They were faced with terrible risk to themselves, their family and their property, and they spent precious time on futile superstition.

Now that we've had our warmup, let's try it on last night's debate. Imagine, as I did, that this is what Bush had responded with, and think how likely you are to vote for such an obviously insane man.

MODERATOR: You were asked before the invasion, or after the invasion, of Iraq if you'd checked with your dad. And I believe, I don't remember the quote exactly, but I believe you said you had checked with a higher authority. I would like to ask you, what part does your faith play on your policy decisions?

BUSH: First, my unreason plays a lot -- a big part in my life. And that's, when I answering that question, what I was really saying to the person was that I draw circles a lot. And I do.

And my unreason is a very -- it's very personal. I draw circles for strength. I draw circles for wisdom. I draw circles for our troops in harm's way. I draw circles for my family. I draw circles for my little girls.

But I'm mindful in a free society that people can perform cultic rituals if they want to or not. You're equally an American if you choose to perform cultic rituals to an alien and if you choose not to.

If you're a Gray, Agharian or Roswellian, you're equally an American. That's the great thing about America, is the right to perform cultic rituals the way you see fit.

Drawing circles and superstition sustain me. I receive calmness in the storms of the presidency.

I love the fact that people draw circles for me and my family all around the country. Somebody asked me one time, Well, how do you know? I said, I just feel it. (!)

Superstition is an important part. I never want to impose my superstition on anybody else. But when I make decisions, I stand on principle, and the principles are derived from who I am.

I believe we ought to love our neighbor like we love ourself, as manifested in public policy through the unreason-based initiative where we've unleashed the armies of compassion to help heal people who hurt.

I believe that the aliens wants everybody to be free. That's what I believe.

And that's been part of my foreign policy. In Afghanistan, I believe that the freedom there is a gift from the aliens. And I can't tell you how encouraged I am to see freedom on the march.

And so my principles that I make decisions on are a part of me, and superstition is a part of me.

Would you vote for someone who believes he communicates with aliens in his mind? Why should you react any differently when the superstition changes? What's so special about the claims of religion that make them invulnerable to circumspection? There is no difference, and this game can help you see it.

OK, now it's your turn. Spend a day or two noticing how silly people sound when you remove the absurdly silly thing they believe in from the protective shell of the word "religion." I suggest you start with Kerry's response. Let me know how it goes!

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posted by Mis-nagid @ Thursday, October 14, 2004

Wednesday, October 13, 2004

Review of Saved!

Last night, I watched the movie Saved! The movie was about as daringly critical of religion as a major studio release can be. That being said, it never allowed itself to reach the obvious conclusion: religion is a form of madness. People who believe that they have a personal relationship with a 2000-year dead man are rightly labelled insane -- unless they call their bizarre belief "religion," in which case it's labelled "faith." Mad frummies will laugh at a Hopi rain dance, opining, "Silly Indians with their ridiculous dances and chants. Don't they know that to bring rain you have to shake a fruit and intone Birkat Geshem?"

The movie flirts with this angle by portraying religious beliefs as silly and desperate for rational validation, even having Mandy Moore's character chastise Mary (the protagonist) for not praying by saying "Prayer works, it's been medically proven! Everyone knows that!"

There was one scene in the movie that reminded me of something I responded to in this blog. In it, Mary is bonked on the head in the pool, and is drowning. A poolhand dives in to save her, and in her oxygen-deprived state, she perceives him as Jesus, who delivers a personal message to her. This imagined message relieves her of worry about a distressing issue.

Sound familiar? I responded to someone who
said a very similar thing. It always amazes me how people can run right past the obvious and correct explanation and dive into the shallow end of the reason pool.

Another line in it irked me. In the movie, Mary is having doubts about her Christian faith. She's grasping around to find something to replace it, so she buys a book on "crystal healing power" and tries that. Her voiceover asks about religions (paraphrasing) "I know there's so many of them, and they can't all be right, but they can't all be wrong, right?"

Wrong. There is no logical reason to exclude that possibility. People often fall back on that fallacy when they finally perceive the cracks in the irrational belief they have been holding. This is the same sort of "reasoning" used by alien enthusiasts when a particular "sighting/landing/abduction" is shown to be a hoax. They say, "Sure, that one was a lie, but there are soooo many reports, some of them must be true!" There's no therefore there, they can logically all be untrue.

Another nit worth picking was the backpedaling at the end. Mary looks at a newborn baby and, disappointingly, stumbles into the divine fallacy by claiming that she can't understand it, so there must be a god. She also says that she feels that there is a God, so one must exist. It's brief, and the movie doesn't dwell on it, but there was no need for such unskeptical blather after such a wonderfully critical movie.

In conclusion, the movie was very entertaining, skewering religious zealotry with great relish. I found it quite funny, and I highly recommend it to my readers.

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posted by Mis-nagid @ Wednesday, October 13, 2004

Debate diverts, detracts and distracts

The Jerusalem Report published a debate between Yaron Yadan, a formerly ultra-orthodox rosh yeshiva, and Dr. Jeffrey Woolf, a senior lecturer in Talmud at Bar Ilan Univerisity. Read it here.

Psychometricians have long noted that the way a question is asked affects the answers given. This is one of the reasons why most polls results are absolutely useless.

Look at the question that framed the debate:
"Should we reject religious Judaism if the Talmud is not literally the word of God?"

Notice how it studiously avoided asking about the divinity of the Torah (the more pertinent question) and focused on something that isn't really in question! Noone claims that the Talmud is literally the word of God -- but many falsely make that claim about the Torah.

Yaron mentions this obliquely, but is fighting uphill, since the playing field is slanted: "[...] I concluded that the Torah, the Scriptures and the halakhah are human creations. Your assertion that the Torah authorizes the sages to interpret the text is irrelevant."

Some things to remember:

1) Truth is not decided by debate, nor reality by referendum. You can debate a flat earth to until the heat death of the universe, but reality will not so much as flicker. Check out the book "
One Hundred Proofs That The Earth is Not a Globe":

The arguments made in that book are very similar to the sort made by all those who expect reality to acquiesce to their preconceived notions.The core of the book's thesis is not made obvious, but is hidden in "proof" number 50:

"50. We read in the inspired book, or collection of books, called THE BIBLE, nothing at all about the Earth being a globe or a planet, from beginning to end, but hundreds of allusions there are in its pages which could not be made if the Earth were a globe, and which are, therefore, said by the astronomer to be absurd and contrary to what he knows to be true! This is the groundwork of modern infidelity. But, since every one of many, many allusions to the Earth and the heavenly bodies in the Scriptures can be demonstrated to be absolutely true to nature, and we read of the Earth being "stretched out" "above the waters," as "standing in the water and out of the water," of its being "established that it cannot be moved," we have a store from which to take all the proofs we need, but we will just put down one proof - the Scriptural proof - that Earth is not a globe."

W. M. Carpenter believed that his superstitions could shape the world (pun intended), despite all the evidence to the contrary. He'd debate it gladly, and write a book about it, but he's still just as deluded as Jeffrey Woolf.

2) When two people argue, the truth does not necessarily lie somewhere in the middle; one of them may simply be wrong. This logical error is very easy to slide into, and plays right into the hands of the superstitious. For example, the biblical creationists have relabeled themselves Intelligent Design and are trying to get supernatural claims into science textbooks. One of their credos is "teach the controversy," a blatant attempt to leverage this fallacy. Check out
the cover article in this month's Wired magazine.

People assume that a controversy implies that each side must have some truth. Not only is this conclusion incorrect, there is no controversy about the whole of evolution - it was settled 140 years ago. However, by debating it they create the appearance of two sides to the issue. It works on people who are not properly skeptical, as evidenced by this snippet from the article:

"'I'm not a PhD in biology,' says board member Michael Cochran. 'But when I have X number of PhD experts telling me this, and X number telling me the opposite, the answer is probably somewhere between the two.'"

If he had said that in front me, I might have slapped him. How is that someone so unskeptical is allowed to make important decisions that affect the future of children? The article continues:

"An exasperated Krauss claims that a truly representative debate would have had 10,000 pro-evolution scientists against two Discovery executives. 'What these people want is for there to be a debate,' says Krauss. 'People in the audience say, Hey, these people sound reasonable. They argue, 'People have different opinions, we should present those opinions in school.' That is nonsense. Some people have opinions that the Holocaust never happened, but we don't teach that in history.'"

Bravo, Krauss. But he's not being understood:

"'Another board member, Deborah Owens-Fink, declares the issue already closed. 'We've listened to experts on both sides of this for three years,' she says. "Ultimately, the question of what students should learn 'is decided in a democracy, not by any one group of experts.'

The notion is noble enough: In a democracy, every idea gets heard. But in science, not all theories are equal. Those that survive decades - centuries - of scientific scrutiny end up in classrooms, and those that don't are discarded. The intelligent design movement is using scientific rhetoric to bypass scientific scrutiny."


So, while the debate in the Jerusalem Report is amusing to read, it sheds no light whatsoever on the question at hand. It merely serves to perpetuate the illusion that there really is something to both sides' claims.

3) Developing solid critical thinking skills is crucial for being able to dissect these sorts of issues. Don't even approach the issue until you've learned how to correctly wield the power of logic. It's very easy to be misled when confronting complex issues. You need training in logic just as surely as you need training in physics. It's just that everyone assumes that they're natural-born thinkers, so no tutelage is necessary.

Forget about reading about evolution until you've read about skepticism. Put down the Jerusalem Report and read "How We Know What Isn't So" and "Innumeracy." You can always come back to the issue when you're better equipped to field it.

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posted by Mis-nagid @ Wednesday, October 13, 2004

Wednesday, September 8, 2004

Mis-Nagid September '04

Wednesday, September 08, 2004

Comical cartoon

One of my pet topics is how absurd religious beliefs are, and how blind the faithful are to how silly they act. Consequently, this cartoon made me laugh:



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posted by Mis-nagid @ Wednesday, September 08, 2004

Tuesday, September 07, 2004

Refashioning reality

One of the dangers of a growing up with a frum education is that you get the mistaken impression that religion matters.

You're taught that religious beliefs can affect reality, and that the supernatural can subvert the natural. That miracles happen and that prayers work. These erronious beliefs require suspension of the physical laws of nature.

There's even a gemara that says that the beis din's pronouncement of the chodesh would affect physical reality. There's a virgin involved for good measure.

This substance-is-subservient-to-superstition streak runs deep. Jews publish books entitled
Mysteries of the Creation: A Cosmology Derived From Tanach And Chazal.



How backwards must your understanding of the world be to base your cosmology on a book, rather than the universe? This just reflects the feeling that Jews have of the supremacy of cult over fact.

Frum Jews believe that reality bends to the whims of religion. Reality is unimpressed and continues on unperturbed.

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posted by Mis-nagid @ Tuesday, September 07, 2004

Refreshing review

The New York Times reviewed the book The End of Faith by Sam Harris. The book is full of plain talk about religion that you don't often see quoted in a major newpaper. From the review:

A doctoral candidate in neuroscience at the University of California, Los Angeles, Harris writes what a sizable number of us think, but few are willing to say in contemporary America: "We have names for people who have many beliefs for which there is no rational justification. When their beliefs are extremely common, we call them ‘religious’; otherwise, they are likely to be called ‘mad,’ ‘psychotic’ or ‘delusional.’" To cite but one example: "Jesus Christ — who, as it turns out, was born of a virgin, cheated death and rose bodily into the heavens — can now be eaten in the form of a cracker. A few Latin words spoken over your favorite Burgundy, and you can drink his blood as well. Is there any doubt that a lone subscriber to these beliefs would be considered mad?" The danger of religious faith, he continues, ”is that it allows otherwise normal human beings to reap the fruits of madness and consider them holy.”

Go read the review for yourself. I'm going to order the book in my next book-buying spree.

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posted by Mis-nagid @ Tuesday, September 07, 2004

Friday, August 20, 2004

Mis-Nagid August '04

Friday, August 20, 2004

Minimizing mindshare

The Home Office in Britain did a survey about the U.K.'s religious beliefs. Interestingly, they found that even though four out of five people expressed a religious affiliation, and 74% of those were Christians, they weren't very religious people. As the headline says, faith plays a minor role in lives of most white Christians (in the U.K.). From the article:

But there are signs religious affiliation made little difference to the lives of its white adherents. When asked what they considered important to their identity, religion was cited by only 17 per cent of white Christians, behind family, work, age, interests, education, nationality, gender, income and social class.

Nearly a quarter of all surveyed said they have no faith. Given how little the other three quarters care about their faith, the former quarter is sure to grow.

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posted by Mis-nagid @ Friday, August 20, 2004

Plea for palliation

So, some guy thinks he found the cave of John the Baptist. Never mind if he's right, the responses of the religious are the real story. Check out this guy:

Jim Borton, senior minister of First Christian Church in New Philadelphia, said archaeological discoveries never contradict the Bible.

"There are a lot less atheists than there were 50 years ago because our science is better," Borton said. "It seems to me every time archaeology digs up something else, they find the truth."


Actually, archaeology has flatly contradicted large portions of the Bible. You know, little things like the Flood, Exodus, and Jericho. Oh, and there are more non-believers than ever before.

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posted by Mis-nagid @ Friday, August 20, 2004

Obliquing the obvious

"I know one man who was impotent who gave AIDS to his wife and the only thing they did was kiss." --Pat Robertson

Of all the stupid things Pat Robertson has said, that's my favorite. How credulous do you have to be to not realize that the wife of an impotent man might have been screwing around? Or that a HIV-infected man who is impotent before his wife might be gay? Or that the story itself might be totally bogus?

Of course, Pat gives us lots of fodder for competition with that quote. Like this one:

"[The] feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians."
--Pat Robertson in the Washington Post, August 23, 1993

Well, he may not know much about women, but he's a real master of science:

"In a similar manner, schizophrenia (split personality) can be a mental disease, but it can also be caused by demon possession."
--Pat Robertson, Answers pg. 116

"Scientists have shown that electrical current is generated by the human brain. According to at least one source I read, this current takes on the transmission qualities of radio signals. This explains, in some measure, why people who are very close often know what each other is thinking without spoken words being exchanged."
--Pat Robertson, Answers pg. 122

And then there's this famous exchange that took place on September 13, 2001, just two days after 9/11:

JERRY FALWELL: And I agree totally with you that the Lord has protected us so wonderfully these 225 years. And since 1812, this is the first time that we've been attacked on our soil and by far the worst results. And I fear, as Donald Rumsfeld, the Secretary of Defense, said yesterday, that this is only the beginning. And with biological warfare available to these monsters - the Husseins, the Bin Ladens, the Arafats--what we saw on Tuesday, as terrible as it is, could be miniscule if, in fact--if, in fact--God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve.

PAT ROBERTSON: Jerry, that's my feeling. I think we've just seen the antechamber to terror. We haven't even begun to see what they can do to the major population.

JERRY FALWELL: The ACLU's got to take a lot of blame for this.

PAT ROBERTSON: Well, yes.

JERRY FALWELL: And, I know that I'll hear from them for this. But, throwing God out successfully with the help of the federal court system, throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools. The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way--all of them who have tried to secularize America--I point the finger in their face and say "you helped this happen."

PAT ROBERTSON: Well, I totally concur, and the problem is we have adopted that agenda at the highest levels of our government.


But let's not be too harsh! He's not different from Yechezkel:

"Son of man, when the land sinneth against me by trespassing grievously, then will I stretch out mine hand upon it, and will break the staff of the bread thereof, and will send famine upon it, and will cut off man and beast from it."
--Ezekiel 14:13

Preachers have been blaming the evils that befall men on their own "sins" since way before Falwell and Robertson entered the scene. Tanach is chock-full of such offensive pronouncements.

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posted by Mis-nagid @ Friday, August 20, 2004

Funny fallacies

Blatantly stolen from:
http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/feedback/sep02.html

I think I've heard every one these at least 15 times.

1. TRANSCENDENTAL ARGUMENT (1) Creation is true. (2) If Creation is true, then reason must exist. (3) Reason exists. (4) Therefore, Creation is true.

2. COSMOLOGICAL ARGUMENT (1) If I say something must have a cause, it has a cause. (2) I say the universe must have a cause. (3) Therefore, the universe has a cause. (4) Therefore, Creation is true.

3. ONTOLOGICAL ARGUMENT (a) (1) I define God to be X. (2) Since I can conceive of X, X must exist. (3) Therefore, Creation is true.

4. ONTOLOGICAL ARGUMENT (b) (1) Creation is true. (2) Since Creation is true, God must be perfect. (3) That which is perfect must exist. (4) Therefore, Creation is true.

5. MODAL ONTOLOGICAL ARGUMENT (1) Creation is true. (2) God, existing, is either necessary or unnecessary. (3) God is not unnecessary, therefore God must be necessary. (4) Therefore, Creation is true.

6. TELEOLOGICAL ARGUMENT (1) Check out that tree. Isn't it pretty? (2) Therefore, Creation is true.

7. ARGUMENT FROM MIRACLES (1) My aunt Helen was most likely to die from cancer. (2) She didn't. (3) Therefore, Creation is true.

8. MORAL ARGUMENT (a) (1) Person X, a well-known atheist, was morally inferior to the rest of us. (2) Therefore, Creation is true.

9. MORAL ARGUMENT (b) (1) In my younger days I was a cursing, drinking, smoking, gambling, child-molesting, thieving, murdering, bed-wetting bastard. (2) That all changed once I became religious. (3) Therefore, Creation is true.

10. ARGUMENT FROM CREATION (1) If evolution is false, then creationism is true, and therefore Creation is true. (2) Evolution can't be true, since I lack the mental capacity to understand it; moreover, to accept its truth would cause me to be uncomfortable (3) Therefore, Creation is true.

11. ARGUMENT FROM FEAR (1) If there is no God then we're all going to die. (2) Therefore, Creation is true.

12. ARGUMENT FROM THE BIBLE (1) [arbitrary passage from OT] (2) [arbitrary passage from NT] (3) Therefore, Creation is true.

13. ARGUMENT FROM INTELLIGENCE (1) Look, there's really no point in me trying to explain the whole thing to you stupid atheists -- it's too complicated for you to understand. Creation is true whether you like it or not. (2) Therefore, Creation is true.

14. ARGUMENT FROM UNINTELLIGENCE (1) Okay, I don't pretend to be as intelligent as you guys -- you're obviously very well read. But I read the Bible, and nothing you say can convince me that God does not exist. I feel him in my heart, and you can feel him too, if you'll just ask him into your life. "For God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten son into the world, that whosoever believes in him shall not perish from the earth" John 3:16. (2) Therefore, Creation is true.

15. ARGUMENT FROM BELIEF (1) If Creation is true, then I should believe in Him. (2) I believe in God. (3) Therefore, Creation is true.

16. ARGUMENT FROM INTIMIDATION (1) See this bonfire? (2) Therefore, Creation is true.

17. PARENTAL ARGUMENT (1) My mommy and daddy told me that Creation is true. (2) Therefore, Creation is true.

18. ARGUMENT FROM NUMBERS (1) Millions and millions of people believe in God. (2) They can't all be wrong, can they? (3) Therefore, Creation is true.

19. ARGUMENT FROM ABSURDITY (1) Maranathra! (2) Therefore, Creation is true.

20. ARGUMENT FROM ECONOMY (1) Creation is true, you bastards! (2) Therefore, Creation is true.

21. BOATWRIGHT'S ARGUMENT (1) Ha ha ha. (2) Therefore, Creation is true.

22. DORE'S ARGUMENT (1) I forgot to take my meds. (2) Therefore, I AM CHRIST!! (3) Therefore, Creation is true.

23. ARGUMENT FROM GUITAR MASTERY (1) Eric Clapton is God. (2) Therefore, Creation is true.

24. ARGUMENT FROM INTERNET AUTHORITY (1) There is a website that successfully argues for the existence of God. (2) Here is the URL. (3) Therefore, Creation is true.

25. ARGUMENT FROM INCOMPREHENSIBILITY (1) Flabble glurk zoom boink blubba snurgleschnortz ping! (2) No one has ever refuted (1). (3) Therefore, Creation is true.

26. ARGUMENT FROM AMERICAN EVANGELISM (1) Telling people that Creation is true makes me filthy rich. (2) Therefore, Creation is true.

27. MITCHELL'S ARGUMENT (1) The Christian Creation is true. (2) Therefore, all worldviews which don't assume the Christian God's existence are false and incomprehensible. (3) Therefore, Creation is true.

28. ARGUMENT FROM BLINDNESS (a) (1) Atheists are spiritually blind. (2) Therefore, Creation is true.

29. ARGUMENT FROM BLINDNESS (b) (1) God is love. (2) Love is blind. (3) Ray Charles is blind. (4) Therefore, Ray Charles is God. (5) Therefore, Creation is true.

30. ARGUMENT FROM FALLIBILITY (1) Human reasoning is inherently flawed. (2) Therefore, there is no reasonable way to challenge a proposition. (3) I propose that Creation is true. (4) Therefore, Creation is true.

31. ARGUMENT FROM SMUGNESS (1) Creation is true. (2) I don't give a crap whether you believe it or not; I have better things to do than to try to convince you morons. (3) Therefore, Creation is true.

32. ARGUMENT FROM META-SMUGNESS (1) [obscenity deleted] (2) Therefore, Creation is true.

33. ARGUMENT FROM MANIFESTATIONS (1) If you turn your head sideways and squint a little, you can see an image of a bearded face in that tortilla. (2) Therefore, Creation is true.

34. SLATHER'S ARGUMENT (1) My toaster is God. (2) Therefore, Creation is true.

35. ARGUMENT FROM INCOMPLETE DEVASTATION (1) A plane crashed killing 143 passengers and crew. (2) But one child survived with only third-degree burns. (3) Therefore, Creation is true.

36. ARGUMENT FROM POSSIBLE WORLDS (1) If things had been different, then things would be different. (2) That would be bad. (3) Therefore, Creation is true.

37. ARGUMENT FROM SHEER WILL (1) I DO believe in God! I DO believe in God! I do I do I do I DO believe in God! (2) Therefore, Creation is true.

38. ARGUMENT FROM NONBELIEF (1) The majority of the world's population are nonbelievers in Christianity. (2) This is just what Satan intended. (3) Therefore, Creation is true.

39. ARGUMENT FROM POST-DEATH EXPERIENCE (1) Person X died an atheist. (2) He now realizes his mistake. (3) Therefore, Creation is true.

40. ARGUMENT FROM EMOTIONAL BLACKMAIL (1) God loves you. (2) How could you be so heartless to not believe in him? (3) Therefore, Creation is true.

41. ARGUMENT FROM INCOHERENT BABBLE (1) See that person spazzing on the church floor babbling incoherently? (2) That's how infinite wisdom reveals itself. (3) Therefore, Creation is true.

42. OPRAH'S ARGUMENT (a) (1) The human spirit exists. (2) Therefore, Creation is true.

43. OPRAH'S ARGUMENT (b) (1) Check out this video segment. (2) Now how can anyone watch that and NOT believe in God? (3) Therefore, Creation is true.

44. CALVINISTIC ARGUMENT (1) If Creation is true, then he will let me watch you be tortured forever. (2) I rather like that idea. (3) Therefore, Creation is true.

45. ARGUMENT FROM CROCKERY (1) Pots don't go around giving orders to the potter. (2) Therefore, Creation is true.

46. ARGUMENT FROM MASS PRODUCTION (1) Barbie dolls were created. (2) If Barbie dolls were created, then so were trees. (3) Therefore, Creation is true.

47. ARGUMENT FROM PAROCHIALISM (1) God is everywhere. (2) We haven't been everywhere to prove he's not there. (3) Therefore, Creation is true.

48. ARGUMENT FROM UPPERCASE ASSERTION (1) CREATION IS TRUE! GET USED TO IT! (2) Therefore, Creation is true.

49. ARGUMENT FROM INFINITE REGRESS (1) Ask atheists what caused the Big Bang. (2) Regardless of their answer, ask how they know this. (3) Continue process until the atheist admits he doesn't know the answer to one of your questions. (4) You win! (5) Therefore, Creation is true.

50. ARGUMENT FROM INCREDULITY (1) How could God NOT exist, you bozo? (2) Therefore, Creation is true.

51. ARGUMENT FROM HISTORY (1) The Bible is true. (2) Therefore, the Bible is historical fact. (3) Therefore, Creation is true.

52. ARGUMENT FROM RESURRECTION (1) Proof of God's existence will be available when you rise bodily from your grave. (2) Therefore, Creation is true.

53. ARGUMENT FROM BIOGENESIS (1) Where did Adam come from, dummy? (2) Therefore, Creation is true.

54. ARGUMENT FROM STEADFAST FAITH (1) A lot of really cool people believed in God their entire lives. (2) Therefore, Creation is true.

55. ARGUMENT FROM LONELINESS (1) Christians say that Jesus is their best friend. (2) I'm lonely, and I want a best friend. (3) Therefore, Creation is true.

56. ARGUMENT FROM ARGUMENTATION (1) Creation is true. (2) [atheist's counterargument] (3) Yes he does. (4) [atheist's counterargument] (5) Yes he does! (6) [atheist's counterargument] (7) YES HE DOES!!! (8) [atheist gives up and goes home] (9) Therefore, Creation is true.

57. ARGUMENT FROM CREATIVE INTERPRETATION (1) God is: (a) The feeling you have when you look at a newborn baby. (b) The love of a mother for her child. (c) That little still voice in your heart. (d) Humankind's potential to overcome their difficulties. (e) How I feel when I look at a sunset. (f) The taste of ice cream on a hot day. (2) Therefore, Creation is true.

58. ARGUMENT FROM INSECURITY (1) We have gone to absolutely berserk lengths to establish that atheists are laughable morons. (1.5) Actually, we did so in the hopes of curing our own insecurities about theism -- but there's no chance in hell we'll ever admit that. (2) Therefore, atheists are laughable morons. (3) Therefore, Creation is true.

59. ARGUMENT FROM SUPERIORITY (1) If God does not exist, then I am an inferior being, since I am not "special" in a cosmic sense. (2) But I am superior. Because I am a Christian. (3) Therefore, Creation is true.

60. ARGUMENT FROM PERFECTION (1) If there are absolute moral standards, then Creation is true. (2) Atheists say that there are no absolute moral standards. (3) But that's because they don't want to admit to being sinners. (4) Therefore, there are absolute moral standards. (5) Therefore, Creation is true.

61. ARGUMENT FROM HUMAN NECESSITY (1) Atheists say that they don't need God. (2) Which just goes to show that they need God. (3) Therefore, Creation is true.

62. ARGUMENT FROM HIDDEN LOGIC (a) (1) Intellectually, I know that the existence of God is impossible, or vastly improbable. (2) But I must put on the appearance of being cool and intellectual in front of my Christian apologist peers. (3) Therefore, I must pretend that (1) is false. (4) Therefore, Creation is true.

63. ARGUMENT FROM INDULGENCE (1) Atheists like to think that they can control their emotional desires. (2) But they're atheists, so they can't. (3) Therefore, atheists feel the need to indulge in whatever they feel like without worrying about committing sin. (4) This just goes to show how they need God in their lives. (5) Therefore, Creation is true.

64. ARGUMENT FROM HATE (1) Some atheists hate Christians and Christianity. (2) That's why they don't believe in God. (3) Pathetic, aren't they? (4) Therefore, Creation is true.

65. ARGUMENT FROM QUENTIN SMITH (1) Quentin Smith says that God does not exist. (2) But God does exist. (3) Therefore, Quentin Smith cannot be accepted as an expert on the matter, because he is wrong. (4) Therefore, Creation is true.

66. ARGUMENT FROM EVIL SPIRITS (1) I've just had contact with evil spirits. (2) Therefore, Creation is true.

67. ARGUMENT FROM HIDDEN LOGIC (b) (1) Atheists say that God doesn't exist. (2) But they only say that because they want to look cool and intellectual in front of their peers. (3) They don't fool me! (4) Therefore, Creation is true.

68. ARGUMENT FROM HOVIND'S CHALLENGE (1) Kent Hovind offers $250,000 (which may or may not exist) to anyone who can demonstrate evolution (defined as a natural, acausal origin of the universe) to a reasonable doubt (meaning with 100% certainty, allowing for no other possibilities whatsoever) in front of a neutral committee (handpicked by Hovind himself) and according to certain criteria (carefully worded so as to rule out any possibility whatsoever of the challenge ever being met). (2) No atheist has ever met this challenge. (3)Therefore, Creation is true.

69. ARGUMENT FROM INSANITY (1) No sane person could have thought up Christianity (2) Therefore, it must be true (3) Therefore, Creation is true

70 ARGUMENT FROM EXHAUSTION (abridged) (1) Do you agree with the utterly trivial proposition X? (2) Atheist: of course. (3) How about the slightly modified proposition X'? (4) Atheist: Um, no, not really. (5) Good. Since we agree, how about Y? Is that true? (6) Atheist: No! And I didn't agree with X'! (7) With the truths of these clearly established, surely you agree that Z is true as well? (8) Atheist: No. So far I have only agreed with X! Where is this going, anyway? (9) I'm glad we all agree..... .... (37) So now we have used propositions X, X', Y, Y', Z, Z', P, P', Q and Q' to arrive at the obviously valid point R. Agreed? (38) Atheist: Like I said, so far I've only agreed with X. Where is this going? .... (81) So we now conclude from this that propositions L'', L''' and J'' are true. Agreed? (82) I HAVEN'T AGREED WITH ANYTHING YOU'VE SAID SINCE X! WHERE IS THIS GOING!? .... (177) ...and it follows that proposition HRV, SHQ'' and BTU' are all obviously valid. Agreed? (178) [Atheist either faints from overwork or leaves in disgust] (179) Therefore, Creation is true.

71. MR. GOODSALT'S ARGUMENT (ARGUMENT FROM GENERAL INQUIRY) (1) Question for atheist population: [apparently random question] (2) Your answer is wrong. (3) Therefore, Creation is true.

72. PEACOCK ARGUMENT FROM ORIGINALITY (1) I have written the following to demonstrate the existence of God. (2) [insert entire text of a William Lane Craig article] (3) Therefore, Creation is true.

73. PEACOCK ARGUMENT FROM LIMITED VOCABULARY (1) You use lots of big words. (2) Therefore, I cannot possibly be expected to understand your refutation of my position. (3) Therefore, Creation is true.

74. PEACOCK ARGUMENT FROM SELECTIVE MEMORY (1) [Christian asks "stumper" question] (2) [Atheist answers question] (3) [A lapse of time] (4) [Christian repeats question] (5) [Atheist repeats answer] (6) [A lapse of time] (7) [Christian repeats question] (8) [Atheist repeats answer] (9) [A lapse of time] (10) Atheist, you never answered my question. (11) Therefore, Creation is true.

75. ARGUMENT FROM HISTORICAL CORRELATION (1) This historical event was recorded. (2) The Bible mentions this event. (3) Therefore, Creation is true.

76. THE CLASSICAL CIRCULAR ARGUMENT (1) We know that Creation is true because the Bible tells us so. (2) We know that the Bible is true because it is the word of God (3) Therefore, Creation is true.

77. ARGUMENT FROM SELECTIVE CELEBRITY QUOTATION (1) [insert famous persons name] is a well known Atheist. (2) [insert famous persons name] made a comment about God. (3) Therefore, Creation is true.

78. ARGUMENT FROM IRRELEVANT TRIVIA (1) The Bible was written over a period of 1500 years. (2) Many people from varied backgrounds wrote the Bible. (3) Lots of copies of the Bible have been sold (4) Therefore, Creation is true.


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posted by Mis-nagid @ Friday, August 20, 2004

Operation: Behold, you're God

Jews for Jesus have a new campaign. Their most recent conversion drive will take place in Washington DC. It's called "Operation: Behold Your God"

From the
Washington Post article:

"It's offensive because Judaism is a long-established faith. Nobody wants to be annoyed by people challenging it," said Ronald Halber, executive director of the Jewish Community Council of Greater Washington.

Why does being "long-established" make it more legitimate? It's still only a faith, and is thus no more supportable than any other faith.

Katz said he feels that Jewish leaders are not allowing members of their own community to engage in an honest discussion about the claims of Jesus.

Don't feel bad, Katz. They don't engage in honest discussion about the claims of the Torah or Hashem, either.

Over the years, he said, he has been spit on and hit by Jews who wanted him to stop his evangelistic campaigns. "Tolerance has become one of America's top cultural values," he said.

Sure, but tolerance isn't one of religion's values.

"In that sense, I think it's a shame that there are people who seek to oppress views and oppose open discussion.... If something can stand up to an honest investigation, let it stand. If it falls, let it fall."

If only religions really let if fall when it fails an honest investigation.

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posted by Mis-nagid @ Friday, August 20, 2004

Thursday, August 19, 2004

Budding Buddhist befuddled

In the course of my studies, I've read many intriguing things about Buddhism that piqued my interest. For example:

"Change only takes place through action. Frankly speaking, not through prayer or meditation, but through action. "
--Dalai Lama, at the closing ceremony of the third Parliament of World Religions, December 1999

Carl Sagan mentioned it in his book, The Demon Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark:

"In theological discussions with religious leaders, I often ask what their response would be if a central tenet of their faith were disproved by science. When I put this question to the current, 14th, Dalai Lama, he unhesitatingly replied as no conservative or fundamentalist religious leaders do: in such a case, he said, Tibetan Buddhism would have to change.

Even I asked, if it's a really central tenet, like (I searched for an example) reincarnation?

Even then, he answered. However, he added with a twinkle, its going to be hard to disprove reincarnation."

My extremely minimal contact with Buddhist ideas made me wish I knew more about Buddhism. However, I never really looked into it.

From
Wikipedia:

"While Buddhism does not deny the existence of supernatural beings (indeed, many are discussed in Buddhist scripture), it does not ascribe power for creation, salvation or judgement to them. Like humans, they are regarded as having the power to affect worldly events, and so some Buddhist schools associate with them via ritual."

Close, but no cigar.

And check out
this picture. I'm not going to bow to a statue.

Unless Wikipedia is misrepresenting Buddhism, it's not progressive enough for my taste. The supernatural does not exist. Any philosophy that includes it must by necessity be wrong.

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posted by Mis-nagid @ Thursday, August 19, 2004

Wednesday, August 18, 2004

Cantering celestial

Have a laugh or two at the Invisible Pink Unicorn. I've worn the T-shirt to frum gatherings just for thrill of it.

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posted by Mis-nagid @ Wednesday, August 18, 2004

Tuesday, August 17, 2004

Cavernous chasm of "could"

On the Bermuda trigangle, there has been a natural skepticism toward it because of the absence of any reasonable explanation for why any particular part of the sea should be more dangerous than any other part, other than weather related differences which are well understood.

Wrong. There is positive evidence that it has not had any more occurances than expected. There's zero reason to draw 3 lines around that stretch of sea; nothing other than communal reinforcement of a myth by the uncritical.

The recent discovery of giant freak waves that can smash an oil supertanker or pluck a low flying plane out of the sky should at least open our minds to the possibility that some geographic areas may be more prone to such waves. Like many myths, this one could have a kernel of truth to it.

There's a difference between could and is. It's the same difference that exists between the skeptic and the sucker. Until there's evidence that there is a difference, there's no reason to think there is one. "Could" can apply to any expanse of ocean; your "argument" works for any patch of water and does not support the Bermuda Triangle.

There is nothing wrong with a little speculation as long as you don't bet more on the idea than you can afford to lose.

Except you're betting on something that has already been shown to be lacking. It's like buying last week's losing lottery ticket. Whether or not you can afford to lose the dollar misses the point entirely.

I am more afraid that I will miss a good idea because I lacked the imagination to consider the possibility than I am of being wrong about a speculative idea.

That's nice, but the idea is no longer speculative. It already failed.

The theory of general relativity didn't have any proof either when it was first proposed by Einstein. It was just an interesting thought that had some logical appeal.

What the heck are you talking about? It explained well-known peculiarities in Mercury's orbit and resolved several contradictions in then-current physics. Further tests were done, but it wasn't just "an interesting thought."

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posted by Mis-nagid @ Tuesday, August 17, 2004

One reason I'm anonymous

The article. The followup.

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posted by Mis-nagid @ Tuesday, August 17, 2004

Gentler than God

Are you nicer than Yahweh? Take the quiz and find out!

Bizzarely, the point of the quiz is to say that Christians nowadays are too nice and too eager to avoid offense.

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posted by Mis-nagid @ Tuesday, August 17, 2004

Outraged outcasts

Check out this article.

"Fischer and his group have pledged to help some 400 boys ages 13 to 21 who have been banished or excommunicated from the FLDS for such "sins" as talking to girls or watching movies."

I've seen many boys kicked out of yeshiva for the same "sins."

"'Colors and design of dress are dictated,' he said. 'Hairstyles are dictated. All are to wear long underwear from wrist to ankles, even in extreme heat.'"

Sounds like any chasidish yeshiva, boy's or girl's.

"From the time children are born, they are brainwashed, he said. Home schooling leaves out world and American history, and most sciences are outlawed."

Yeshivas censor Jewish history and evolution is outlawed.

"Children are taught that God ordained blacks to be slaves ..."

They're from Cham, and the Torah says that they are to be slaves. That's what I was told in yeshiva, anyway.

"...and Jews were meant to be punished for killing Christ."

The goyim are meant to be punished for turning down the Torah.

"Law enforcement also is part of the problem. Police in the border towns often take orders from Jeffs, and through local justice courts have prosecuted and levied huge fines on boys charged with such 'crimes' as indecent exposure for rolling up their sleeves."

In Meah Shearim they throw stones at women for that.

"Getting thrown out of the church meant no one, not even his family, was allowed to talk to him."

How is that different than sitting shiva for a child that leaves the cult?

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posted by Mis-nagid @ Tuesday, August 17, 2004

Backward belief

I was at a sheva brochos last night, where a reasonably intelligent girl told me that the Bermuda Triangle exists as a real phenomenon. I told her she was wrong, and she countered that Rashi said so (as if that's a valid argument). I told her Rashi was wrong. She got flustered and said, "You think you know more science than Rashi?" I said, "Yes, I even know more than Newton and Aristotle. Such is the privilege of living after them. Science is cumulative, and I live later." She said, "Not true, before Noach, they had very advanced technology, but it got wiped out." I dropped it.

"[...] to argue with a man who has renounced his reason is like giving medicine to the dead."
--Robert Ingersoll, Ingersoll's Works, Vol. 1, p.127

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posted by Mis-nagid @ Tuesday, August 17, 2004

Libelous label

What I meant being a skeptic is, that I was questioning if what I was taught is true or not. Is there a god or not did he give the torah at har sinei or not. Till I was not absolutely sure one way or another I wasn't going to do anything that is against the torah.

That's backwards. Until you are sure that it did happen, why bother with all the rituals? Do you do Catholic rituals, just in case they are right? By your reversed logic, you have to practice every single religion, winnowing them down by disproof one by one.

To me not being a skeptic in god means that you are absolutely sure with your believes. You certainly portray it that way, now I am convinced as well that you are firm with your believes.

That is not what it means to be a skeptic. True, a skeptic can be very confident in a belief (e.g. there are no psychics, astrology is bs, etc.), but that's not what makes a person a skeptic. Please reread these
two posts and these two wikipedia entries.

If you are right and skeptic doesn't mean that, ok so let's call what I meant barararahfgfhfh but to make it easier to understand will use the word skeptic ok? Or give me any other word that I could use. you knew what i meant. right?

The word is: sucker. Why would you throw your life away on something that is contrary to all evidence, just in case it's right? If I told you that you have to give me $20 every morning, or your heart will stop beating, would you give it to me? You know that's it's contrary to evidence, but you'd pay me just because I might not be lying?

The claims of Judaism are totally contrary to the evidence. If you choose to follow them, I'll say, "Pay up, sucker."

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posted by Mis-nagid @ Tuesday, August 17, 2004

Different divinations

Wahoo!! Break out the tarot cards and Ouiji boards!! Where do I sign up??!!----NOT!!!

Ouiji boards? This is Judaism; we call it Urim V'Tumim.

Just one of ours in a
very long list of worthless divination beliefs.

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posted by Mis-nagid @ Tuesday, August 17, 2004

Lonely among lunatics

I swear Doc, I'm the only sane one. It's the rest of them that are all nuts!

When you're stuck in a cult, that's not far from the truth.

This past shabbos, I was at an affair. Someone gave a speech lauding pashas re'ay's orders to kill everyone in a city that adopts different religious practices. He criticized "liberals" for thinking they know better than the Torah about morality, and that it was totally moral to murder men, women and children over religious differences, so long as you're following orders from above. I had to resist throwing my food at the ayatolla, but everyone else was smiling and nodding.

So, yes, very often, I'm the only sane person in the room.

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posted by Mis-nagid @ Tuesday, August 17, 2004